and then when that's verified not just by the obama administration, but by congress itself, then you move on to legalization and a path to citizenship. jon: rand paul one of the more conservative members in the senate. he addressed the questions that conservatives have about this whole issue. let me play that bite for you now. >> immigration will not occur until conservative republicans, like myself, become part of the solution. that's why i'm here today, to begin that conversation and to be part of the solution. jon: and i should point out that in his prepared remarks he started that off by saying imgraduation reform, not just immigration as he did, apparently, in the speech. so what about it? do conservatives have to get onback on the record first of all, for the republican party to have a prayer in the future, and do conservatives have to get onboard for immigration reform to go anywhere? >> well, there's a huge debate about that question, and a hot of conservatives -- a lot of conservatives are saying, look, the argument that hispanic voters would be naturally republicans, is jus